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How Close Are We To World War III?



President-elect Donald Trump will inherit a far more unstable world than the one he left President Joe Biden just four years ago. The war between Russia and Ukraine continues to grind on, escalating at the behest of the Biden administration. The situation in the Middle East, with the fall of the Assad government in Syria, only becomes more precarious by the day. 

While the experts in Washington will never say weโ€™re already in the midst of World War III, these conflicts span two continents and are deeply intertwined. But if World War III does come, these years will be remembered as its opening phase. This week on โ€œThe Signal Sitdown,โ€ I discuss these conflicts and more with Kelley Vlahos, editorial director at Responsible Statecraft.

โ€œOnce you make your adversary the devil, itโ€™s hard to say, โ€˜Well, letโ€™s sit down and talk with the devil,โ€™โ€ Vlahos said of the continuation of the Ukraine war, despite signs that itโ€™s only a matter of time before the Ukrainians will have to negotiate a peace with Russia. โ€œThatโ€™s something that Biden and NATO did to themselves by making this an existential crisis, with the future of democracy of the whole, entire world at stake.โ€

But โ€œitโ€™s not just Bidenโ€ and his administration, Vlahos told me. โ€œAll of these European capitals are hell-bent on continuing this war, and under the rubric of NATO.โ€

Vlahos bemoaned that โ€œEuropean establishments would love to see the Ukraine war fought to the last Ukrainian.โ€

Though American conservatives are prone to attack the Establishment in Washington, โ€œanybody that you talk to will tell you that the establishments over there are worse than they are here,โ€ Vlahos said. โ€œTheyโ€™re monochrome. They donโ€™t allow for dissent. You know, everything is an ivory tower. Theyโ€™re moving people around like chess pieces in Ukraine.โ€

โ€œWe have a blob here in Washington; you have a blob there in Brussels,โ€ Vlahos told me.

The blob, Vlahos said, is โ€œa self-licking ice cream cone.โ€ And whether itโ€™s increased involvement in Ukraine or Syria, there is โ€œthis strange Borg logic in Washington, that any time that we talk about retrenching or taking back or cutting a budget, that means a loss of power.โ€

โ€œThatโ€™s a bad thing,โ€ she said of the blobโ€™s justification to get involved in foreign conflicts. Nevertheless, โ€œeverybody just goes rushing to battle stations to keep the troops there, and theyโ€™ll use any excuse to keep them there.โ€

โ€œAnd so what have we done to our own national security?โ€ Vlahos asked rhetorically. โ€œWe canโ€™t make missiles as fast as weโ€™re giving them away. Thereโ€™s plenty of money that weโ€™re giving to defense contractors, and they got all the contracts, but a lot of these things wonโ€™t be ready for another five, 10 years to replenish what weโ€™ve given away.โ€

โ€œAt a pure national interest angle,โ€ Vlahos continued, โ€œwe need to stop these wars, because weโ€™re making ourselves vulnerable in the effort to try to change the world and fix things overseas, that for many Americans, they donโ€™t know what the connection is.โ€

โ€œAs much as Trump has a lot of authority right now, and has basically put on notice where we standโ€”and [Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy does recognize thatโ€”I think there is a serious fight ahead, because NATO is not going to give up,โ€ she said. โ€œTheyโ€™re not about to sort of retrench because Donald Trump says they got to end the war.โ€

Nevertheless, Vlahos has hope that it all โ€œmight come crashing downโ€ on the blob at some point.

โ€œThe people are going to be the ones that rise up and say, โ€˜Enough is enough. We canโ€™t do anymore. We have to start looking back inward.โ€™โ€